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i just kind of wondered, is there a big of a rock hammond organ following as jazz. personally i prefer the jon lord and ken hensley sound.

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
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Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
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Shwaggy,

I've played around with every effects pedal I own between the line outs on my RT3 & M101 and a keyboard amp. I have used some of those effects including overdrive when recording. I still prefer plain old Hammond growl from a tweeked trim capacitor into a cranked Leslie for the styles I play, mostly blues.

For distortion a Boss OS-2 is flexable, works well and they are cheap, $64.00 from Musicians Friend. If I played in a Deep Purple tribute band I may feel differently but you can't beat the Hammond Leslie combo for most stuff with the exception of the overdriven Marshalls that Lord used. The pedal also lets you get breakup at a tolerable sound level

If you haven't heard the tune, listen to the Hammond on Uriah Heep's Gypsy Live. Might change your mind a bit about how a trimmed out Hammond and Leslie(s) can sound. I believe Hensley used Leslies on that show and not Marshalls. I can hear them spinnin'.

H101

 

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1955 Hammond RT3, HR40 & Leslie 251 wired as 147
1961 Hammond M101 (Thanks Chuck!)

Keith Emerson used Hiwatts connected to Leslie speakers rather then stock Leslie amps.

From "In Rock" to "Burn" Jon Lord used to connect his C3 to Marshall as well as Maestro ring modulator (quite too expensive now!).

Marshall even produced special "organ" versions of their guitar heads ("JTM50 organ", "JTM100 organ" and "JMP organ" as far as I remember), having limited treble response. I use an JCM800 along with 4x12' cabinet.

Anyone have info about Jon Lord reverb retrofit? I saw two different on photos - one with tubes and another one with IC's.

Regards

Jon

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I hate jazz!

I posted a thread here a few weeks ago about pimping my T-500 with a Vox valve overdrive. This gives the T-500 the extra growl missing. The Vox overdrive I used is very transparent, and can bring all levels of drive from subtle warmth to screaming Jon Lord. I did also post samples.

It works on my L-100 too. 

i know ken hensley used an overdriven leslie for his sound, i actually prefer that sound over the jon lord marshall sound. one riveting use of that sound is salisbury. look for it on youtube and there should be two clips for the song(it was 16 minutes long, including orchestra, organ solo, and solo by guitar player mick box toward the end). i have guitar rig 3 from native instruments, and i've never used the high white amp(i think thats what it is?) is that supposed to be like a hiwatt? i'd love to get keith emersons sound down too. but currently my laptop i have guitar rig on is broken anyway, so i guess it doesn't really matter until i get that fixed
 

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

bump.... there can't only be 3 other people here that treat their hammond to a bit of overdrive every once in a while

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

theres not, whenever possible iuse an overdrive on organs.  either to dirty up the sound and give it a meaner growl or just to really push it out ...  i mainly use an Hammond Aurora century  that im modding to have an overdive in it but ive also got access to a Hammond M100 and 147 leslie, on that i simply crank it to the limit and play my heart out.

 an overdiven organ is right up my alley, especially within the rockier churches these days.   my one loves it!!

careful overdriving that m-100 and leslie, it's not really fair to burn through the tube life of that amp if it isn't yours. but if the person who owns it uses overdrive all the time, then, i guess what the hell let er scream

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

Not really the tubes, but mostly the poor Leslie treble driver...

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I hate jazz!

yeah that  too. but if it's one of the new ferro-fluid drivers...THEN let er go wild.

for the record i'm not a purist about the horn and bass drivers, only on the overdrive and the 800hz crossover, i hear the new ones have 500hz? what the hell is up with that? 

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

What the hell is up? Why Hammond-Suzuki don't make tonewheel organs anymore? Why they build Leslies with one AC motor and special circuits to slow it down?

I don't like the way how the hammond-clones (yes Hammond-suzuki organs oh, I mean keyboards with drawbars are clones even with Hammond logo on them) sounds now. Why to imitate the real thing if you can build it cheaper then designing digital DSP keyboard? Or new Leslie...

There is only one modern tonewheel organ - pari.e, but with different TG design. As I heard it simply doesn't sound right to me... 

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I hate jazz!

i'm going to assume they put those extra complicated additions so they would be harder to fix diy style. but back to the thread, has anyone here heard circle of hands by Uriah Heep? are there any good distortion pedals that could get me that rich heavy sound? i have the boss rt-20 but it's overdrive just doesn't cut it

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

bump....i'm not lettin this thread die. anyone have good links to recordings of a "heavy hammond"?

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

As always "take one" Oh, my poor left hand coordinaton...

http://www.wrzuta.pl/audio/r7YZdZswKW/hammond - press |> and turn it loud!

L100 with AO-28 and full-foldback connected to JCM800 with old unknown-brand 4x12 cabinet.

I would post an sample of my C3 soon.

best

Jon 

 

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I hate jazz!

JonC3:

As always "take one" Oh, my poor left hand coordinaton...

http://www.wrzuta.pl/audio/r7YZdZswKW/hammond - press |> and turn it loud!

L100 with AO-28 and full-foldback connected to JCM800 with old unknown-brand 4x12 cabinet.

I would post an sample of my C3 soon.

best

Jon 

 

does an l100 with an ao-28 have better percussion than with stock percussion amp? i guess i use percussion so little i've come to prefer the bite of the percussion on my l-100 to my b3, though my b3 has an ao-29 instead of an ao-28(no idea how the previous owners pulled that one off).

i think you should teach me the solo for burn,that song is by far the best deep purple song ever. i think i might post something soon now that i'm running my b through the amp simulator on native instruments b4 ii. it's so much better than the boss rt-20, and i'm getting very little latency on my crappy laptop, and once i get my leslie oiled i'll run it through that and get even less latency by bypassing the rotary simulator.
 

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric