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    Pump Organ Stops

    Of all the Pump Organ pictures I've seen on Craigslist, about 90% of them show 11 stops, but the stop knobs are so small in the pictures that I can't make them out.

    What are the most common stops? I know there must be an 8' Diapason and an 8' Melodia, but what else?

    Thanks,
    Hal

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    Dulciana 8'

    Cremona 8'

    Principal 4'

    Hautboy 4'

    Vox Humana for Tremelo

    Flute Forte

    Diapason Forte

    Bass Coupler

    Treble Coupler

    Celeste 8'

    Many numerous names, but the above mentioned are most popular.

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    Baldwin Spinet 58R
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    Crown Pump Organ by Geo. P. Bent, Chicago, Illinois


    Organs I hope to obtain in the future:

    Conn Tube Minuet or Caprice even a transistor Caprice with the color coded tabs
    Gulbransen H3 or G3, or V.
    Wurlitzer 44, 4410, 4420, ES Reed Models, 4300, 4500, Transistor Models

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    Dear James,

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    Hal,

    I would say it depends on the builder. If you have a particular builder in mind, you can search for that builder on the Reed Organ Society Database, and most of the organs will have a list of stops on the site. Larger organs, like the Mason & Hamlin Liszt model, or the Vocalion will even have stops as low as 32' and as high as 2' in pitch.

    Hope that helps.

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    • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
    • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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    OK, Yes, loud and clear, .........over!

    There are dozens of stop names which the various reed organ companies used. Most of them are far from a very true sound since everything is going to sound "reedy." They really don't have as much variety as one would think. Some of the stops open the levers so the reeds can sound at full volume, and some only open them half ways.

    It is the same with many electronic organs.

    James
    Last edited by james; 08-22-2017 at 12:00 AM.
    Baldwin Church Organ Model 48C
    Baldwin Spinet 58R
    Lowrey Spinet SCL
    Wurlitzer 4100A
    Crown Pump Organ by Geo. P. Bent, Chicago, Illinois


    Organs I hope to obtain in the future:

    Conn Tube Minuet or Caprice even a transistor Caprice with the color coded tabs
    Gulbransen H3 or G3, or V.
    Wurlitzer 44, 4410, 4420, ES Reed Models, 4300, 4500, Transistor Models

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    http://www.organstops.org/
    Quote Originally Posted by james View Post
    There are dozen of stop names which the various reed organ companies. Most of them are far from a very true sound since everything is going to sound "reedy."
    James,

    You've hit on the biggest issue I've had with reed organs. When I pull a stop on a pipe organ or digital organ, I can have a fairly convincing idea in my head, which is replicated by the stop. With reed organs, I can't seem to prepare myself for the sound I will hear when I select a stop--they all seem to be louder or softer versions of the same basic sound.

    Maybe someday I'll start a webpage on the topic of Dictionary of Reed Organ Stops (as opposed to Dictionary of Pipe Organ Stops).

    Michael
    Way too many organs to list, but I do have 4 Allens:
    • MOS-2 Model 505-B / ADC-4300-DK / ADC-5400 / ADC-6000 (Symphony)
    • Lowrey Heritage (DSO-1)
    • 9 Pump Organs, 1 Pipe Organ & 4 Pianos

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    Quote Originally Posted by myorgan View Post
    Maybe someday I'll start a webpage on the topic of Dictionary of Reed Organ Stops (as opposed to Dictionary of Pipe Organ Stops).

    Michael
    That'll be easy... Diapason and Melodia, and everything else sounds like those, EXCEPT Celeste, which is pitched just a smidge different.
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    Michael,

    I am the same way, and the same thing with the Hammond since when I hear a Hammond I know I am hearing a Hammond regardless of the setting. At times there is only a slight difference, and that is the same with all electronic organs. I found this elaborate Lowrey I have is unified and duplexed within an inch of its being. On some electronic organs the reed stops used as a solo stop make the most difference for me.

    James
    Baldwin Church Organ Model 48C
    Baldwin Spinet 58R
    Lowrey Spinet SCL
    Wurlitzer 4100A
    Crown Pump Organ by Geo. P. Bent, Chicago, Illinois


    Organs I hope to obtain in the future:

    Conn Tube Minuet or Caprice even a transistor Caprice with the color coded tabs
    Gulbransen H3 or G3, or V.
    Wurlitzer 44, 4410, 4420, ES Reed Models, 4300, 4500, Transistor Models

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    This is an example of the tonal variety available on an american reed organ.


    Here's a video of one hymn played through on six different reed organs, from medium to huge.

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    Hal,

    If you want a pump organ there are numerous ones to choose from, and yes many only have the 11 stops which will give you plenty of choices.

    The one I have has 10 stops.

    James
    Baldwin Church Organ Model 48C
    Baldwin Spinet 58R
    Lowrey Spinet SCL
    Wurlitzer 4100A
    Crown Pump Organ by Geo. P. Bent, Chicago, Illinois


    Organs I hope to obtain in the future:

    Conn Tube Minuet or Caprice even a transistor Caprice with the color coded tabs
    Gulbransen H3 or G3, or V.
    Wurlitzer 44, 4410, 4420, ES Reed Models, 4300, 4500, Transistor Models

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