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    Quote Originally Posted by Sculptor2 View Post
    The errors are due to scanning/conversion errors, I skimmed over it quickly and caught I thought all of the obvious typos.
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    I don't see the direct url to it without the search term used to find it included, but here it is:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=yJ...page&q&f=false
    Sculptor2,

    Ah, I now understand. OCR has its limitations, unfortunately.

    Thank you so much for the link. It will be nice to have a copy downloaded to my computer to peruse. Great article on how the Resultant is formed. Someday, I'm going to have to research the article to which Mr. Skinner is responding, so there is a more clear background for the discussion. I suspect the original article was discussing the pros and cons of using a Resultant 32' in a space (vs. true 32'), and the appearance (& subsequently disappearance) of converging nodes and antinodes of various waveforms in a space, as a direct result (no pun intended) of a true 32' vs. Resultant 32'. Mr. Skinner's contention appears to be that no matter what form is used, the Pedal note will appear and disappear throughout a space, and that physics will prevail in the end.

    Thank you for the article link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myorgan View Post
    Sculptor2,

    Ah, I now understand. OCR has its limitations, unfortunately.

    Thank you so much for the link. It will be nice to have a copy downloaded to my computer to peruse. Great article on how the Resultant is formed. Someday, I'm going to have to research the article to which Mr. Skinner is responding, so there is a more clear background for the discussion. I suspect the original article was discussing the pros and cons of using a Resultant 32' in a space (vs. true 32'), and the appearance (& subsequently disappearance) of converging nodes and antinodes of various waveforms in a space, as a direct result (no pun intended) of a true 32' vs. Resultant 32'. Mr. Skinner's contention appears to be that no matter what form is used, the Pedal note will appear and disappear throughout a space, and that physics will prevail in the end.

    Thank you for the article link.

    Michael
    Unfortunately it does, made worse by using the copy/paste from the PDF file- tends to introduce extra spaces at line endings, which tend to wind up in the middle of some longer words.

    I have not searched for what Mr Skinner was responding too, but I would imagine it's only a couple of issues back, maybe 3 at the most by the time he read it, wrote in and the comments published.
    Glad I found it and it's of some use here.

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    I've always considered a quintadena to be of the flute family. It's odd that a wood diapason pipe, which is all woof and little harmonics, would have so much harmonic development and so little fundamental when stoppered. I've considered cutting them up higher, as someone mentioned, and I've thought about widening the windway. I wanted to get a few more installed before doing anything drastic. They aren't inaudibly soft.

    I've heard the idea that 32' tone needs a big room to develop in, and maybe it's just wive's tales. We'll find out. I have had a resultant wired up on this stop for years, and it has been quite effective. The room isn't so small though. It is fifty feet long and thirty feet tall at the peak.

    I should have the next two installed soon. Right now they ended up serving as a spot to set a windchest I am building.IMG_0051.jpgIMG_0050.jpgIMG_0052.jpg

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    This thread reminds me of a story I heard about a contra bassoon (the instrument, not the organ stop).

    Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the conductor involved, but he was conducting an orchestra rehearsal with some badly copied parts. At one point the contrabassoonist asked the maestro, "At letter R do I have a low C or a low C#?"

    The maestro said, "Let's hear the passage with both." After playing the passage with both the low C and the low C#, the maestro said, "Play either one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbeck View Post
    The maestro said, "Let's hear the passage with both." After playing the passage with both the low C and the low C#, the maestro said, "Play either one."
    Good point! Personally, I'd probably have stuck with the Resultant rather than trying to convert another stop. I employ the K.I.S.S. method whenever possible. Less work--more play!

    Michael

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbeck View Post
    This thread reminds me of a story I heard about a contra bassoon (the instrument, not the organ stop).

    Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the conductor involved, but he was conducting an orchestra rehearsal with some badly copied parts. At one point the contrabassoonist asked the maestro, "At letter R do I have a low C or a low C#?"

    The maestro said, "Let's hear the passage with both." After playing the passage with both the low C and the low C#, the maestro said, "Play either one."
    Hmm. I have had a similar experience with a double contrabass clarinet. the conductor asked me if I was in tune, and I said "I don't know. get a stopwatch"

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    I installed two more pipes of this set today, G and G#. That makes five notes.

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    Usually the bottom 4 pipes of the 32' become massively huge and heavy fast, all seems not too bad as you start going down from 16' c1 or 32' c13, but about when you get to E6 or thereabouts the wall thickness and everything else starts increasing considerably and that extra 1/4" thickness of wood starts adding a lot more weight and you go from one person being able to manage lifting and moving them to needing 2 people.
    When you get to about D#4 oh boy! a set I am building at work becomes 44 mm thick C1- D#4, but even at E5 it only drops to 40 mm thick boards. 32' wood pipes are just way too big for a residence!
    Wonder what OSI etc charge for a 32' stopped wood when just one pipe- C1 can take 300 board feet of lumber to build!

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    I haven't looked at this thread for months. It is funny to see this last posting now. I just happen to be on D#, and it has been sitting in my garage all summer with out making any progress. (It is all glued up and needs a stopper and pipe foot. With my two full grown sons helping me, it was all we could do to get 'E' in place. I'll probably have to remove some of the higher 32' pipes and maybe some 16' wood diapasons to get the last four notes in. But for what it's worth, we did get all of the 16' Wood Diapasons moved in just fine with two of us. But there was more space at that point.

    These 32's produce sound just fine in my room. They are not loud, but they are felt just fine. I will probably increase the cut-up some day. I have installed beards on some of them, and need to on the rest. Other projects have taken over, along with practicing, which takes first priority.

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