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Thread: Gert van Hoef ... vs ... Cameron Carpenter

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    Excellent thoughts, Arthur. Thanks for your observations. I've come to pretty nearly the same conclusions about both these guys. I only wish I could gain a small fraction of the skill and energy that these youngsters bring to the bench!
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    When Gert plays, it is about the music and when he has those wonderful pipe organs at his disposal it helps making good music easier.
    When Cameron plays, it is mostly about Cameron such as (look what I can do), and the digitals he plays also do not help getting the music out.
    The extreme ends of the musical spectrum between these two performers is far greater than the old comparisons between Fox vs Biggs, whose recitals we have attended during 70s 80s
    I would place Gert musically somewhere between Fox-Biggs. Cameron is out in the wild blue yonder musically speaking, with his speed and skills, all on extremes, the pipe organ is no longer usable since the pipes cant speak fast enough for the sounds to be an intelligible coherent effort at music making.
    But there is room for any kind of performer in this world, to each his or her own. Just keep making music, there is always someone willing to listen and maybe even pay for it.

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    I have been following Gert since he was about 11 years old on Youtube and he is a fine player if a little academic. I find his performances enjoyable but not especially exciting. I can't compare him to Cameron Carpenter though. No matter what you think of his style and views Cameron is supernally gifted in a way not many musicians are.He has a brain like a computer. I think Gert's ability comes from hard work and enthusiasm but Cameron's comes from God: just my opinion!

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    Now I have to be honest here but I’m not a fan of Cameron Carpenter. I don’t have anything offensive to say (though that probably won’t stop members of the Cameron fan club from dropping their monocles into their champagne over some mere negative remarks) but what I have to say is not positive.
    My opinion I think can be summed up by this speech on the term edgy in a clip from the animated TV series Daria.
    So basically as much as everyone sees him as being some sort of big anti-establishment figure to me he just feels like something that was created by business men.
    One cartoon character that I personally think Cameron relates to is Poochie from the Simpsons. The reason why is because I think episode which Poochie is in (episode 14 season 8) loosely relates to what has been going on in the organ world. So to summarize what happened in the episode the Itchy and Scratchy cartoons were starting to run out of steam. So after an enlightening speech from Lisa Simpson the studio was inspired to rejuvenate Itchy and scratchy by creating a new character for it called Poochie. But the significance of Poochie was that he was a character that kids can relate to. But Poochie was a flop because Poochie doesn’t relate to the younger generation. It’s probably a bit far-fetched but I think the organ world has been following a similar path. For example- the organs popularity falls onto hard time and needs to save its self by reaching out to the younger generation. Cameron then comes along clamming to be some sort of savour. Only difference is that he has come out as some sort of success.
    I have three theories as to why he didn’t flop like Poochie. The first theories is that he’s mainly popular with an older generation, the second is that most critics are to embarrass to say anything unflattering about him because they may get lot of backlash from the Cameron fan club condemning them for being some sort of purist. And then third reason (which I think is the real reason for his popularity) which you can find by clicking the link below to a review of the movie Moulin Rouge and then fast forward to a certain segment of the review which is between 37:00 and 39:29.
    I should mention that because I’m not posting this rant in the grease pit I probably should warn you that the videos do contain a bit of everyday swearing but I’m sure most of the members of the organ forum are old enough to hear the odd rude word.
    Speaking of edgy cartoon characters there is also a show that was made sometime around the early 200’s called Loonatics Unleashed which I also think relates very well to Cameron. You can see a mention of this cartoon in a video of top 10 edgy cartoons around 6:18 to 7:26 in the link below.

    Q "When are we going to get to the fireworks factory?!"

    Last edited by F Kalbrenner; 02-08-2018 at 12:14 PM.

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