which channels to pair for stero out?

**mdainsd** · 10-05-2011, 04:57 PM

Ive gotten the circuit diagram for a pad to take the outputs of my X66 to a level suitable to route into a recording mixer. The diagram I have summed all four console outputs to mono. I reworked it to give me four channel output. Thats all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day those four have to become two (2 track stereo). So when mixing down which of the signals should be paired to maintain the stero vibato? The outputs from the console are: tibia A, tibia B, "brites" and reverb. Thanks.

**indianajo** · 10-05-2011, 07:12 PM

I think you'd better check nshos.com direct. Somebody there owns an X66. We sure dont. From the pictures, it appears there are at least 2 vibrato scanners in your organ, so mixing the wrong channels together might be rather strange. Alternatively, run each input to a mixer and slide pots to suit. You can pick which input goes to left and which goes to the right on the fly as the concert goes on. You might eventually want to mike those ToneCabinets in stereo. Churches usually put reverb to a tone cabinet in the back of the room, for a classical setup.
I picked up my 12 input Peavey mixer for about $100, sometimes you can get 8 input or 4 input units for less. Probably will have bad spots in the pots, of course, unless you buy a whole band system coming off the road as I did. Mines got both phantom power input for condenser mikes, and gain for dynamic mikes. Also has both XLR and 1/4 phone (low gain) inputs.

**mdainsd** · 10-05-2011, 07:50 PM

Yeah, i suppose lacking a definative answer one could put on headphones and playback all four from the multi track recorder and just play with it until you found the result. Im working on my in home studio and its a lot of fun, well except the construction. That gets old to me real fast. Ive got a primative 16 channel yamaha mixer. It has served me well but i want a bigger inline board. Probably a 48 channel.

**indianajo** · 10-06-2011, 12:32 AM

Yeah, just pad down each channel out, then run them into the mixer, then boost up to the tone cabinets. L out is one tone cabinet, R out is the other tone cabinet. You could use the tape out if you don't want to destroy your recorder feed. Some mixers have different mix pots and outputs for stage and another for audience sound, one of those would be ideal. Andy G said he played the X-66 with dual Leslies, that is a bit different setup than using the TC's for the stereo vibrato. Band mixers have an effect loop separate in and out, maybe that is where you could put the reverb channel in.
Wow, 48 channels, you must have a lot of friends. I e-mailed one guitar player from CL for a while that wanted to bring his 3 year old to "jams", but either my style of music scared him, or my warning about edible electronic components laying about scared him. I don't have to do construction, just move furniture around. My house has a LR-DR Kitchen shaped like a concert hall, Wein Philharmonic actually. Short end 16"x11", long axis 30'. I've got the PV SP2 speakers on stands on the short end, and they blast highs all the way into the kitchen table if I sit in front of the door. My walls are 1" plaster, floor carpet, and I am 50' from the nearest neighbor and live alone. So other than buzz-bass cars on Friday night, and mufflerless scooters passing by, I don't need much. One problem is my triangle wave generator with filters (Wurlitzer 4500) and my additive synthesis organ (H182) are in separate chassis, unlike an X66. They may get merged at some time in one chassis, if the 4500 ever works, and I actually like the sounds.
Been looking at microphones this week. I've never owned any other than the free ones that came with the tape recorder. There is a piano competition I want to enter that needs a CD for entry, and then if I actually recorded some of the stuff I do on the H182 it might explain my strange attitude about them. With my hardnosed attitude about imports I've passed up some attractively priced AudioTechnica 4020's and 4040's, but looks like a PV PVM 22 has response of 40-15000, which is as far as my ears go. What mikes are you using for acoustic instruments like piano?

**mdainsd** · 10-06-2011, 02:55 AM

Mikes on the drums, 18 of them currently are Shure SM 57s and betas. The X66 will be direct in so no mikes there. Not sure yet, I want to go direct with the guitars and basses, but some of the guys really prefer playing through a little amp and micing it, so I guess I'll have to give that some thought. I want one nice condenser mic for vocals. My "studio" is a sunken den (bonus, two walls under outside grade, excellent sound proofing) 16' X 24', im taking 6' X 16' off one end for the control room. That leaves 16' X 18' for the business end. Ive laid it out per the books Ive read and the space I have and I can get the drum kit in, the X have room left for the guitarists and a small isolation room for either bass or vocals. The 16' wall dividing control and live has thirteen feet of 3/4" thick glass for the windows. got it free when the took out a glass conference room at work. The last 3 feet is for the door between the two. Double doors from the house into the control room will allow the largest of boards to go in although Im not going THAT BIG. Double outside doors allow access for getting the X in and out of the live room not to mention act as a fire escape. I have a digital recording setup Tascam/Mac, but I want all analog in my studio, so I will preserve patching to digital if I ever want it. Im shopping the multitrack and 1/2" master now. Ive found a Studer A80 24 track that I may move on, I want an inspection of it first though. Havent selected the 2 track but leaning towards an Ampex.

**indianajo** · 10-06-2011, 04:09 AM

Okay, checked P14 of LSHOS.com x66 writeup. X66 Tibia A and B are split by the halves of the vibrato when the vibrato is on. Reverb is for the back. Brites is the sawtooth wave subtraction synthesis portion "formants", I don't know what vibrato does to those and why it is separate. My 1968 TC10 tone cabinet has two channel input with a merged bass channel and two 8" treble channels with the speakers 30" apart. So the TC10 is set up for stereo scanning vibrato that both the H100 and X66 have. Missed what kind of tone cabinets you have. TC10's take a hot signal, 0-single digit AC instead of standard 0-1.5VAC like modern equipment.
I envy you can find multitrack analog equipment in CA. I've been watching Nashville craigslist, but mostly 2" tape decks show up. You know, they are not making the media anymore. Sometimes people in Nashville flog off used 2" tapes, but I have never seen any 1/2" tape. I've got a nice 1/4" 4 track tape deck, a Sony TC366, but the rubber parts are shot (like electrolytic caps, HA) despite low hours, and the takeup reel doesn't pull right and the feed reel doesn't feed right. I should have bought an Ampex but I never found out where the dealer was in Houston, and I never saw an used Ampex 1/4 deck either. I knew people that had them, but they wore them out making tapes of sermons. Sony stuff showed up in the throwaway papers sometimes, that is how I got the Sonies, used. Teac stuff was also prevalent, pricier. I got a Teac 1/4 deck for $15 at the charity resale shop last year, head looks good, but good luck on finding the rubber parts. I think diyaudio.com says only Revox 1/4 deck is being supported with rubber parts.
Oh well, maybe I can get this computer to record something on a CD if I download Ubuntu studio. All I have to do is back up my hard drive, download the current operating system (mine is 2 years old & out of date) format the hard drive and start all over. Bleah. The contest says they don't need a professional audition tape, but they don't accept VHS tapes, just CD's DVD's and MP files.

**mdainsd** · 10-06-2011, 04:48 AM

I have the TC-12 tone cabinet, its called by other numbers, but it is the unique one to the X66. 5 channel 200 watts. tibia a (called drawbar a in certain areas of the schematics) 25 watts, tiba b, or drawbar B 25 watts, brites 25 watts, reverb 25watts and bass 100 watts. I had the sum for the bass channel wrong, its tibia A, brites and reverb. its cool cause the console has sockets for two tone cabs, so I could tap my pad off of the unused one or, each tone cab has an input plug and a output socket. I can put the pad there, but then the TC has to be plugged in, so it would be operating. I guess you could daisy chain TCs until you run out of AC to power them, LOL. I need the one thing the X doesnt have, a main/echo switch

Have you considered a mac? just need an audio interface. Garage band is an incredibly powerful DAW and it comes on macs. I took a class in using garage band and got a lot from it. Its a very friendly interface. I use a tascam interface, I think its 10 in, 6 out.

**andyg** · 10-06-2011, 08:12 AM

TC12 - yet another number for it!

I think Paco has some details on taking the outputs from the X66 into a mixer. If it's not on the site, drop him an email. He's always seemed a friendly, helpful guy.