Hammond in Sao Paulo, Brasil...is this a C2?

[NYCFarmboy]

http://www.rodgers550.com/c2.html

Above is a web address for some photographs and a video clip of a older Hammond, built in 1945 according to the lady organist (pictured there). This organ is at Nossa Senhora do Brasil (Our Lady of Brasil) in Sao Paulo. There is another Hammond right behind this console (only one of the speakers was hooked up and playing, I think for some reason each Hammond console was wired just to one of the speakers).

I'm guessing it is a C2? If that is incorrect can someone please email me or post here?

Requires highspeed internet and the Apple Quicktime Plug in to play the movie part.

[NittyRanks]

Actually it looks like a CV. There are no percussion switches or tabs for vibrato and chorus. Here are some specs:

Model CV
Production Years: Sep 1945 to Dec 1949
Synopsis: Take a BV's guts and put them in a C type church model case.
Finish: Walnut
Manuals: Swell and Great, 61 keys each.
Pedals: 25-note radiating, detachable.
Controls: 9 presets and 2 sets of 9 drawbars for each manual. 2 adjustable drawbars (16' and 8') for pedals.
Amp/Output: Internal preamp only.

[NYCFarmboy]

cool!

I updated that site to say either C2 or CV! What years were the C2's made? Maybe that would help rule out C2 for sure?

She seemed very firm on the 1945 installation date...and on the fact that the organ was capable of over 14,000 different sounds. (I take that to mean 14,000 different draw bar combinations?)

[NittyRanks]

Yeah but installation does not have anything to do with manufacture date. Here are the C-2 specs:

C-2
Production Years: Dec 1949 to Dec 1954
Synopsis: Same as Model CV but with additional controls which provide vibrator on either or both manuals. Also addtional controls for "NORMAL" or "SOFT" overall volume.
Finish: Walnut
Manuals: Swell and Great, 61 keys each.
Pedals: 25-note radiating, detchable.
Controls: 9 presets and 2 sets of 9 drawbars for each manual. 2 adjustable drawbars (16' and 8') for pedals.
Amp/Output: Internal preamp only.

[back52887]

The absence of Quarterfoils (the clover/cross design carved on the sides of church models untill the 1950s )makes the mystery more complicated. Could it be a war surplus model G, the military Hammond built in WWII. That was in essence a model D, and would have a chours control up in the right hand corner, which I almost imagine I can make out. The Vibrato scanner could have been retrofited to replace the mechanical tremelo, which had a smaller knob. I think I see the larger vibrato control. That would make it technically a GV. It might have been bought off a naval vessel at wars end, or out of an officer's club as allied troops were pulled out.

Installation date does effect the estimate of manufacture date in the it cannot have been installed before it was built!!

Lee

[NYCFarmboy]

some close up photographs of the organ..does this help in identification?

http://www.rodgers550.com/d1.jpg
http://www.rodgers550.com/d2.jpg
http://www.rodgers550.com/d3.jpg

[back52887]

No, that main/echo switch is certainly not the control for the chorus generator, though it is in the place where one could have come out if a retrofit adding vibrato, and removing the heavy chorus generator was done; the on/off Sw is certainly retro. I still can't see the vibrato control. It should be a multi-position switch with c-1/off/v-1/off/c-2/off/v-2/off(etc). if so, you might have a CV or GV, or even a modified DV. Maybe the quareterfoils were not on export models. Still an open question, good luck searching

Lee

[NittyRanks]

If it was a DV there would be two generators and it would way a ton. It could be a Model C-2G, C-3G, HR-40G (tone cabinet):

Production Years: C-2G June 52 to Mar 53, C-3G Jan 55 to TBD.
Synopsis: These consoles are identical in appearance to the C-2 and C-3 except that a monitor speaker is located on the lower left hand side. The preamplifier in the C-2G is designed to operate the monitor speaker. In the C-3G the preamplifier is the same as in the C-3. A small auxiliary amplifier drives the monitor speaker. In both Models, B+ voltage from the tone cabinet is required to make the monitor speaker operative. The HR-40G is identical to the HR-40 except that it is equipped with a standard 6 conductor cable which must be used in conjunction with the C-2G console.
Manuals: Swell and Great, 61 keys each.
Pedals: 25-note radiating, detachable.
Controls: 9 presets and 2 sets of 9 drawbars for each manual. 2 adjustable drawbars (16' and 8') for pedals

[back52887]

You are right in your description of C-2G and C-3G, but the pictures provided show No white rocker tabs, so those are both eliminated from consideration. For that reason and the lack of quarterfoils, I am still thinking GV with retrofit that may have removed the extra generator also. or else an export model that doesn't follow familiar rules.

From the pictures I cannot tell how much it weighs, Perhaps you have some psychic software I dont? NOM

Lee

[NittyRanks]

You are proably right in your description, kind of hard to tell.