Fingerings Request

[soundboarddude]

This post is a bit late for halloween, I suppose...

However, I have always wanted to be able to play Bach's T&F in D minor. I've piddled with it, and played through it, but never bothered to sit down and fix things.

And one of those things that needs fixing is my fingering. I have a terrible fingering for the T&F, and I want to fix it. I have the Schirmer edition, but it doesn't have any fingerings whatsoever.

More specifically, I could use help with:

Measures 4-5 (6-7 is identical), Ms. 22-27, and Ms. 122.

If you could send me a private message or email me (superoctave[at]gmail.com) I would really appreciate it.

Thanks!!

[soundboarddude]

No one has played the T&F?

[Orgrinder010]

I can play it... But your talking to a guy who learned it by ear, lol.

I have no idea if my technique is correct or not, but I like how it sounds to thats fine by me.

[soubasse32]

It is hugely ironic to me that I've never learned it. It is probably the most requested piece too.</P>


The longer I go without playing it, the longer I want to go without playing it! [:D]</P>


As far as fingering I can't imagine any passage that wouldn't be solved by standard/typical/usual fingering (such as for major/minor scales). I'm sorry I don't have a score handy to check what it is exactly you are looking at...</P>

[soundboarddude]

Free (and legal) PDF of the T&amp;F: http://www.free-scores.com/download-sheet-music.php?pdf=147

Soubasse32, I agree with you entirely... It's not *that* difficult of a passage... I've just always been terrible at fingerings! Despite all my efforts, I haven't found a fingering that doesn't involve getting my hands twisted up... ugh!

[Hammondlover]

Still trying to learn it so I can memorize it. I only have the first two pages memorized. That alone usually impresses people though. Play it for all 20 or so pages and my chances of making a mistake skyrocket exponentially, and people's interest in my playing inversely proportionately. This ismostly due to the medicineI'm on. It has the unfortunate side affect of giving me hand tremors. I thought: "this can't be good for an organist/keyboardist". But as I conquer this side affect I find it has a positve aspect. As long as I can control it, my fingering gets super fast, as in so fast people barely notice the keys go down (I can't look, have to read the music). However it only lasts so long and then I go back to my solemn slow style (kind of like the incredible hulk). My advice: Don't give up and don't bite off more than you can chew (and don't wear green makeup while playing the organ).

[SimonS]

PM sent, soundboarddude.

[Jason E]

I have the Schirmer edition, but it doesn't have any fingerings whatsoever.

Presumably you're referring to the Widor-Schweitzer edition? I love using it- very easy on the eyes- but one is on their own for fingering. When learning a Bach piece and I encounter a fingering problem, I consult the Dupré edition. Some say it is "over" fingered, but on several occasions it has rescued me from utter frustration... and language inappropriate for church! [li]

Whilst on the subject, I think it important to decide on a consistent fingering early in the learning process and stick with that. Old, discarded fingerings have a nasty habit of reasserting themselves at the most inopportune moments! [:@]

[tumult_in_the_praetorium]

I completely agree Jason. I used to have a teacher who was very insistent upon fingerings being written (and for almost every note!). While it may seem rather over-the-top, it meant I learned the piece much more quickly than I otherwise would have done, had I been left struggling to work out a decent fingering whilst trying to play the piece itself.

It is good to prepare your score before playing it - as Jason says, discarded fingerings can easily re-appear (as I found with the Dubois Toccata) and thus, writing your proper fingerings early in the learning process of a work can prevent bad habits and mistakes being learnt and 'practiced', so to speak.

Tim