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robbmatt

11-02-2009, 04:23 PM

Green Acres Baptist Church in Tyler, TX is selling their Custom 5 Manual Allen "Renaissance" Organ!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Please pass this info on to anyone who might be interested in getting more information about this wonderful instrument.
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Manufactured by the Allen Organ Company, Allentown, PA
Sold and installed by Dale Johnson and Tom Branch, Church Organ Associates, Carrolton, TX in 2001.
Asking price - $125,000.00
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General Specs:
 Custom Allen Digital Organ
 Five manuals
 Five expression pedals
 82 Ranks
 Fully MIDI-capable
 MIDI tone module built-in (160 MIDI voices)
 MIDI Division Smart Recorder
 Custom matched walnut finish
 73 speakers in two chambers
 18 amplifiers
 Adjustable music rack
 Adjustable bench
 20 general pistons
 16 memory banks
 This organ is substantial enough to fill our 3, 400 seat Worship Center
 Used for 4 ½ - 5 years and currently stored in climate controlled storage 
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Contact Matt Robb for more information at:
 903-525-1160
 mattr@mail.gabc.org (mattr@mail.gabc.org)
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Thanks!
Matt

arie v

11-02-2009, 06:46 PM

Hi Matt,

Maybe if the organ is so "wonderful", you should keep it and use it. I know probably what happened is that the worship band has replaced the organ and organist. Sad in my opinion.

I'm sure it will fill the bill for some church/institution or possibly a home. I seriously doubt you will get $125,000 for it. Used organs, especially of the previous technology type, don't fetch near so much these days, and it doesn't matter who the manufacturer is.

Wish you all the best in selling it.

AV

Clarion

11-02-2009, 08:54 PM

Maybe if the organ is so "wonderful", you should keep it and use it.

It has already been taken out of serviceand consigned to a cryogenic storage facility.[:|]

I know probably what happened is that the worship band has replaced the organ and organist. Sad in my opinion.

Guess again, Arie!! On a good day theyused to do Grand Ole Opry Nashville stuff; but their current offering sounds like this: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PONi6RJRpk [:|] [:|] [6]

And if that doesn't leave the congregation running into the streets begging for mercy, nothing will! [|-)]

I'm sure it will fill the bill for some church/institution or possibly a home. I seriously doubt you will get $125,000 for it. Used organs, especially of the previous technology type, don't fetch near so much these days, and it doesn't matter who the manufacturer is. 

Indeed! Where a significantpart of the costof designing and installing a new organ involves the inevitable extensive time and planning byorgan architechts, designing aninstrumentfor a specific environment. Add to that additional time required forvoicing; not to mention theten year warranty which only favours the original buyer.

Once you discardthe essentialprofessional services needed for a tolerableorgan installaton, you are left with little more thana random pile of wood and computer chips that are unlikely to come even closeto attracting the kind ofthe kind of$$$you have envisioned. [:S]

Perhaps, in agenerousoffering of Christian charity, you mightconsider donatingyour cast-off toa church withbrothers and sisters of like-faith;who not only appreciatetraditionalchurch music, but have at least someone within their congregation whocan still play that sort of stuff; and whosemusical abiltity extendsa tad beyondmereguitar-strummingwhich has overtaken the church like a creeping fungus!! [:|]

robbmatt

11-03-2009, 03:55 PM

I did not intend to open the "can o' worms" about music styles. What works for your community may not work for us. The body of Christ is diverse. I just wanted to get the word out that we have a very nice organ that has been well taken care of that is available for sale.

As for the Magills, they were guest artists this past Sunday at church because they have family connections here. They did an excellent job and our people really enjoyed them. They both have powerful testimonies of how God saved them and is working through their music.

Thanks! Matt

Philip the organist

11-03-2009, 04:37 PM

Robb,

As a brother in Christ, and fellow Baptist, may I humbly propose that you and/or your church reconsider selling such a fine instrument? Once it is gone, it's gone, and you will likely never end up with an organ again, certainly not such a large, well-spec'd, powerful 5-manual! Think of all the times that you will wish it was there-Christmas, weddings, Easter, Palm Sunday, conferences, musical conventions, choir events....

I know how much people enjoy Southern Gospel/contemporary music, but the organ doesn't have to go just because it isn't the primary worship instrument any more.

Blessings,
PF

hauptwerkobsessed

11-03-2009, 09:26 PM

Perhaps they are replacing it with a real pipe organ, who knows?

There really is no point keeping it if no-one is going to play it or use it.

I think Brandon might like it as a practice organ.[:)]

Clarion

11-03-2009, 10:00 PM

As a brother in Christ, and fellow Baptist, may I humbly propose that you and/or your church reconsider selling such a fine instrument? Once it is gone, it's gone, and you will likely never end up with an organ again, certainly not such a large, well-spec'd, powerful 5-manual!

Philip,

Have you evergiven any thought as tohow this magnificent instrument ever ended upin aNashville-bluegrass-culture-church to begin with?? 

1. It was purchased by the members of the church who thrived on Traditional church music, following carefulconsideration by a dulyappointed organ committee; or

2. It was purchased by a cultured, wealthy and well-meaning parishioner, whose limits for tolerating low-end"praize and warship" gueetar trashhad been stretched to all reasonalblelimits of sanity,who stooopidly figured that if he wrote a big cheque fora wonderful magnificent new organ, that hecould elevate the congregationalculture a notch ortwo; but that really doesn't work!![H] Just a total waste of $$$! [:S]

There are a couple of old sayings:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink; and the inevitablecorrelational horticulturalresponse is:

You can lead a hori-ti-culture, but you can't make her think. [:$]

While in the past, I have been guilty of giving an organ to a church, I am satisfied that my intentions werefocusedupon than upgrading the crappy instrument they already had. 

But I am convinced that no amount of money spent in an effort to upgrade the culture of a church, will ever succeed. A congregation of Nashville hillbillies being presented with the most magnificent organyou can imagine, will still be a congregation of Nashville hillbillies.

Buy them all new geeeetars, and you mightgrab their attention.Buy them a magnificent new organ; you'll have them all asleepbefore eventide. [:|]

Think of all the times that you will wish it was there-Christmas, weddings, Easter, Palm Sunday, conferences, musical conventions, choir events....

Now that they havebeen infectedand overtaken by gueeeeetar culure, do youreally believe that theyactually give a royal farrrt?

hauptwerkobsessed

11-03-2009, 10:46 PM

As a brother in Christ, and fellow Baptist, may I humbly propose that you and/or your church reconsider selling such a fine instrument? Once it is gone, it's gone, and you will likely never end up with an organ again, certainly not such a large, well-spec'd, powerful 5-manual!

Philip,

Have you evergiven any thought as tohow this magnificent instrument ever ended upin aNashville-bluegrass-culture-church to begin with?? 

1. It was purchased by the members of the church who thrived on Traditional church music, following carefulconsideration by a dulyappointed organ committee; or

2. It was purchased by a cultured, wealthy and well-meaning parishioner, whose limits for tolerating low-end"praize and warship" gueetar trashhad been stretched to all reasonalblelimits of sanity,who stooopidly figured that if he wrote a big cheque fora wonderful magnificent new organ, that hecould elevate the congregationalculture a notch ortwo; but that really doesn't work!![H] Just a total waste of $$$! [:S]

There are a couple of old sayings:

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink; and the inevitablecorrelational horticulturalresponse is:

You can lead a hori-ti-culture, but you can't make her think. [:$]

While in the past, I have been guilty of giving an organ to a church, I am satisfied that my intentions werefocusedupon than upgrading the crappy instrument they already had. 

But I am convinced that no amount of money spent in an effort to upgrade the culture of a church, will ever succeed. A congregation of Nashville hillbillies being presented with the most magnificent organyou can imagine, will still be a congregation of Nashville hillbillies.

Buy them all new geeeetars, and you mightgrab their attention.Buy them a magnificent new organ; you'll have them all asleepbefore eventide. [:|]

Think of all the times that you will wish it was there-Christmas, weddings, Easter, Palm Sunday, conferences, musical conventions, choir events....

Now that they havebeen infectedand overtaken by gueeeeetar culure, do youreally believe that theyactually give a royal farrrt?



Clarion,

Perhaps the problem was that the wealthy parishioner didn't buy them a pipe organ. Electronic organs (even Phoenix ones) can have all the bells and whistles it wants but isn't necessarily going to attract talented and qualified organists, long-term, in the same way a large equivalent pipe organ might have done.

NYCFarmboy

11-04-2009, 12:43 AM

Dear Matt, please ignore the postings..you have a very interesting instrument posted for sale........to the others....oy vey..please please keep this thread on topic and post your rants on hillbiillies (I am one) for the grease pit.....pretty please????

:)

Johan64'

11-04-2009, 12:56 AM

Nice looking instrument! Just out of curiosity, what did Allen name the 5th manual? Echo, Antiphonal... ? :-)

Clarion

11-04-2009, 01:05 AM

NYCFarmboy

11-04-2009, 12:46 PM

Whether within the religious or secular world; pulp trash is still pulp trash! [st]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJDx3H_hvI8

uh....just how is this on topic? again please keep this thread on the Allen Rennessaice 5 manual organ for sale......please? :)

robbmatt

11-04-2009, 03:38 PM

The 5th manual is labeled "Celestial".

Matt

Philip the organist

11-04-2009, 03:45 PM

If only my church were nearer and had that kind of money! What a beauty!

Johan64'

11-05-2009, 03:03 AM

The 5th manual is labeled "Celestial".

Matt



OK, thanks. That is a good one for a church organ. [:)]

circa1949

11-05-2009, 03:47 AM

I have to commend NYCFarmboy for modding the thread. There are going to be many stories like this one in the future: questioning the original poster as to the reason for selling or berating them for their church's change in musical styles is not going to make a difference. In fact it might discourage other institutions from posting here. I'd much rather the organ go to a church or individual who will appreciate it.

ebach1

11-08-2009, 10:09 AM

"If only my church were nearer and had that kind of money! What a beauty!" 

[H] phillip , i have the fealing that this are good days to hunt for bargains 

in the field of dogotal organs .

one reason is competition form virtual(houptwerk) organs which suond in most cases 

more convincing thanregular digital organs . the other reasonis the recession :-)

I will not besurprised if organs similar to the one listed in this therad will be sold for 

20 to 25 k in the near future :)

fuguebwv582

11-08-2009, 08:48 PM

I will not besurprised if organs similar to the one listed in this therad will be sold for 

20 to 25 k in the near future :)



Sometimes the consoles are worth more than that! We'll just have to wait and see.

myorgan

11-08-2009, 10:44 PM

Philip the organist

11-09-2009, 02:53 AM

Grant_Youngman

11-09-2009, 07:30 PM

Philip the organist

11-09-2009, 08:01 PM

I guess an organ just doesn't cut it anymore in the business to "save souls". (Which, mostly, is a business). Perhaps it used to be more that religion was what one "was" as opposed to something that had to be "saved" -- with stage numbers, the lure of layered gum and (basically) bad music. It is too bad. I admit my cynicism.



I don't know-I became a Christian in a church where the organ was played every Sunday. That was in 2001, when I was 8 years old. And it wasn't because of an altar call or repeated entreaties from the band to "give Jesus a try". It was the Holy Spirit convicting my soul as He has since the beginning of the Church. This can happen anywhere-in a field, in a cathedral, or in a contemporary church.....

robbmatt

11-11-2009, 03:43 PM

Grant - 

My purpose on this Earth is to "Go and make disciples . . ." in my everyday life - not to contribute to the business of the church. Although ittakes some business elements to run a church, the bottom line is that our church is lovingand ministering to people through our actions. We are told - "Let usnot love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth"(1 John 3:18). I use my love for music to do that - to reach out to peopleand minister to their needs in a practical and relevant way.

As for our organ, it has been replaced by a volunteer orchestra of about 50 people (not 4 guitar players)who play for 3 services every week. All of those people love the Lord and are gifted musians. Instead of one organist getting to use his talentevery week, 50 orchestra members get to participate in worshipping God with their instruments.

As for styles of music, there is a broad range of musical tastes out there. We are meeting the need of those in our community in a quality way while giving the honor and glory to God. I would love for this organ to get into the hands of someone or some church where it can meet the need of their community.

Many churches stick with a tradition until it kills the church. In our case, we are evolving our method while preserving the integrity of the message - We are in need of a Savior because of the sin in our lives! Jesus came to live a perfect life and died to pay for our penalty of sin. You must turn from your sins and place your fatih and trust in Jesus alone. Confess Him as your Lord and you will be saved.

Whether your altar call has an organ in the background, Gregorian chant, an orchestra, or a guitar - the message is still the same! "I am not ashamed of the Gospel because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes" (Romans 1:16)! The music is not the point - it is only the vehicle that we use to get the message out into today's culture. The Gospel is what has the power!

Blessings!

Philip the organist

11-11-2009, 04:16 PM

Exactly right, robbmatt! I'm very sorry that you are getting so much grief from other members here for your decision to sell.....I admire your church's faithfulness to the Gospel. All the best to you, GABC, and whoever the lucky buyer is!
PF

hillgreen2

11-12-2009, 04:20 AM

RobbMatt-

A church is a steward of the funds given to it by its' members. I applaud the use of an orchestra, but am curious why a decision was made to dispose of the organ? Does it have to be one or the other. All music can praise God. One form of music is not "holier" than another, it is the heart of the writer, the musicians and the singers and congregation that matter most.

If you have a talented volunteer organist who shares the same doctrinal point of view of your church why not seek to integrate the organ? If I have observed anything in my time on earth and my study of history it is that styles go in and out of fashion in a cyclical pattern. That organ a church decides it must get rid of today may be the instrument they wish they had 10 years from now when a different ministry team is leading.

I have been in churches that dropped the organ for contemporary music shortly after buying a new organ. Many times this change had less to do with the instrument and more to do with the lack of a musician. A balanced music program should encourage a variety of styles and performers and should seek to increase participation by encouraging members to share their musical gifts.


It's your church's right to dispose of the instrument, but evolving your method (your words) does not mean you have to trash the past. My church uses the NIV and the NASB but when we recite The Lord's Prayer we still use the King James (beautiful style and it is what most of us learned). We didn't ban the use of the KJV for the sake of modernizing. Peace, Jeff

ellll

11-16-2009, 07:06 PM

Why is any moderation needed to begin with? In addition, questioning the reasons for selling is a normal and essential consideration for the thread. I don't see that it would matter to any reasonable church, and would not be a reason to avoid posting a planned sale.

NYCFarmboy

11-17-2009, 11:36 AM

Hi there, as moderator I think I have to say some of these comments questioning the sale of this instrument belong in another thread and not on this thread. This thread is to sell a musical instrument. If you want to bemoan why it is being sold take it to another thread or perhaps start topic on this. As noted this specific area of the forum is for buying and selling of church and classic organs. If you want to post about WHY it is not being used any longer start another thread.

Future NON-related off topic posts will be deleted...just start a new thread, but please keep this thread on the specific instrument for sale.

Thanks!!!!!!!!

Admin

11-17-2009, 01:35 PM

I just want to back up what NYCFarmboy said.

This is the classifieds section. Questions and comments pertaining to the item for sale are appropriate as are questions regarding the reason for sale. Discussion of the wisdom of the sale,a church's music program, and the like are off-topic here. That doesn't mean they can't be discussed, but this is not the topic or thread to doit in. 

If you'd like to continue the discussion, start a new thread in an appropriate place on the forum, Liturgical Music, Soapbox, and General Chat come to mind, and post a link to it here.

It benefits everyone if people use the classifieds for their intended purpose and place the weightier matters in topics where they can be easily found by those interested in them.

Thanks,

-Admin

NoTalent

11-18-2009, 04:36 PM

If I may add:



As I followed this thread, I kept feeling sorry for Matt who must have been saying to himself:



"All I wanted to do was sell this organ...."