The Organ Forum

I was wondering what that RCA plug was for. Our one is attached to nothing.

I aplogise for rementioning the pot on the preamp above. For some reason I missed the comment further up...

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

bump

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

Heh! Yeh, I had ta look up what BUMP meant!

We just got our C3 running today. The PR-40 has a melted component on the board (heh, no fuses!!!) so we'll get that fixed, but we ran it straight to the mixer for a quick one. CAAAINT wait to get a leslie. I'm a Rock player myself, the chap I went halvers with owns a recording studio. WE BOTH fully intend to drive it, using the tubes on the organ and leslie rather than using FX. I love the swishy OD on Uriah Heep's stuff, which of course as you said is the leslie driving hard.

I've been too long without a... um.. an organ (damn. Why does that sound so..anyway...) and I've forgotten all that heel toe stuff on the pedals. I've forgotten how the keys respond... so light...The smears, the percussion on the first note only... the stabs and thumps...

Luckily when I'm with band I'll not have to multitask so much (2 manuals and pedals, phew) but I'll have to recall it for the funeral organist possie I've just applied for! 

It's weird being a youngish seventies nut when all about me are younger eighties rockers. Their idea of keyboards is holding a string pad down.

I pulled out of playing keys at my church cos I just couldn't stand it anymore on synth, after all, I'm a speed king!

The purchase of this C3 will revolutionise my esteemed colleagues understanding of everything. It's not just the guitars that can "Break Thru" in a growling, screaming solo.

The irony is I lost my position as lead guitarist because I showed off  so well on the keyboard when I filled in for someone (because I was a little angry I'd been put on synth, I kind of showboated a bit). After A While I found myself holding strings down again...

This change will be better than a holiday.

I'm not sure of the frequency of distorted organs outside of Purple or Heep. Plenty off kickass blues, but the'yre not as OD'd at those first two. I shall search my record archives...

 Hmm...

WHAT ABOUT KANSAS?  WHAT ABOUT CAMEL?

Ah'll be back. Gotta do some work.

 

 

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

I'n not as rebellious as I sound. I DO however know the sound of fine music and I want to "evangelise" it to the modern world!

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

JonC3:

But decrease the volume in your leslie if you don't want to have the upper driver destroyed.

 

I haven't yet got a leslie, but do have the old PR-40. What will happen when I wind up the gain pot? Will I need to modify anything to protect the PR, or is it only an issue with the driver on the leslie? (The only leslie I've beheld so far was on our ghastly old home hammond in the eighties. I accidentally blew it up trying to wire my synth into it, as a lad. So I'm imagining the treble driver is the sound generator which feeds the horns??)

I want to rock soon, but I don't want Smoke ON The  Organ, nor fire by the by. Nor the hunt for replacement parts. 

-B.

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

Oh, yeh, and the Roland clone and the divine Nord C1 double manual job are absolute MINTERS when it comes to OVERDRIVE!

But as one of the above lads mentioned, there's NO DIY fixes on broken and worn digital units, no matter how easy they be for carrying to gigs. 

Pah, lighweights! (But the nord C1 was tasty in the shop.)

Aaaaar mateys!

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

i've wondered, what does the O.D. on a pr-40 sound like? or an hr-40 for that matter. would they sound spectacular overdriven through hotrodded leslie cabinet? or would they be severely lacking due to the limited treble response?

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

shwaggetyshfifty:

i've wondered, what does the O.D. on a pr-40 sound like? or an hr-40 for that matter. would they sound spectacular overdriven through hotrodded leslie cabinet? or would they be severely lacking due to the limited treble response?

 We hope to find out next week. I shall let you know.

Upon throwing on the voltage we discovered a convincing lack of sound. The capacitor canister also gave a nifty boot when touched. It turns out one of the Rectifiers had died, and the resulting whatever caused the first component on the board to convincingly melt down sometime in the past. We've gotta get a fuse put in that thing!!!!! It appears the same thing had happened before that, too. There were some nice little holes buned through the aluminium casing.  Is this a common thing, or is it something diabolically wrong with this heavenly cabinet?

Our Amplifier electrician expert was out of town yesterday, so it won't be til next week the saga will continue.

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

AND... the cleaners threw out the only key to the C3 lid. Typical intelligent #$^~**`!!!

The locksmith took the lock off but said he couldn't figure out the key shape! Strange. It's just shaped like an "F"with one tang... (an"r"?)

The cabinet was already getting shifted and bashed by people who should know better, and now they can get inside and touch the keys!!

CaRAMba!

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Does anybody have a solution for THAT???

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

Don't know about that, but glad to see another Uriah Heep/Ken Hensley fan. I had the pleasure of seeing Heep in the Hensley era 3 times. Concerning the earlier question on "Circle of Hands," Ken definitely uses the Leslie with the organ, and if you experiment with the drawbars and the level of the overdrive, you can get there. On the other hand, the earlier "Look At Yourself" is very much in the Jon Lord tradition, with no Leslie. On my old M, I can get that dead on running the output of the organ to my cheap little ART tube pre-amp and straight to the board.

Our C3 is still not quite ready for action, so I was still on synth duty on Saturday night.

While many of our friends are very polished eighties style musos, we're raw and dirty types who grew up on Deep Purple, Funk, Soul, Blues and other phenomena of the seventies which made it possible for the eighties things to come into being.

For the evening I stuck to  a dirty Rhodes and a screaming analogue lead sound. Damn. Can't wait for the C3 to crank.

Decided to overdrive the synth for once anyhow, (it was too clean!) and it was perfection for a change. The C3 is going to be heaven. It's not just a divinely created instrument, it was King in the era where music was adventurous and gritty. Raw, torn from the soul. Not afraid of experimentation and new discovery. Able to reach way down into its listeners and dig up fantastic joy and brittle angst in the same instant.

It's about time the music scene remembered about all that, the humanness of it all, the real glory.

 

And I'm speaking as a church musician!!!

 

 

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

Hairy Hammond Recordings:

Confirmed VERY DIRTY hammonds used in the modern world:

Check out Kula Shaker. And on the really HEAVY side, check out Spiritual Beggars... Just not when the family is around. Or the Neighbours.

 I'm told the Europeans have a whole bunch of stuff called "progressive Metal" which claims descent from YES coupled with something a, um... little bit heavier. There's a whole lot of the old seventies ethic coming through, including orchestral arrangements, and of course, experimental anything you like including driven Hammond. Just... really heavy, unfortunately.

On the lighter side, there's at least one song on "Strangefolk" by Kula Shaker that has O/D'd Organ, so It shows they still use it in the UK, and a friend from the Chicken... sorry, Czechen Republic, showed me Some Spiritual Beggars... some sort of Euro... heavy heavy (Brit 70's Metal heavy) band. 2 albums I heard were "Demons" and "On Fire"  most songs Had Hammond, but it was normally hard to tell what was Guitar and What was ORGAN!!!!!!!!!!!! Really quite heavy, but not screaming death metal by any means. See if you can borrow a copy of  "On Fire" just to check it out. Use somebody else's library card so you can't be traced!

 

The C3 is paradise. The only thing that eventually stops me playing, once I start, is a gnawing feeling in my gut saying my evening meal is WELL overdue.......!!

 Cheers Y'all!

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

bumperoo

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric

I'm getting the wrong kind of distortion! The PR-40 which is supposed to have loads of headroom is rattling in the cones!! Poor old amp has been neglected by it's forty years long Baptist church owners. We'll do what we can for it. Anyone have a spare leslie?

I've discovered the effect produced by the 9 contacts under each key, as you slowly depress the key. This makes a deal of difference in a blistering run. Even the NORD C1 doesn't imitate this effect. The keys on the clones still feel like springy synth keys. How do they expect you to play like a real hammond without the right key action? I am now satisfied now that NO ONE has made a clone that will satisfy someone after they have played the real thing. I can't wait to post some distorted C3 recordings for you, Shwaggety, once we've got all the problems ironed out. Thousands of $ later! I'm a shameless showoff on keys, Love to share it 'round!

'Fraid there's no real Hammond, and I've kept organ to the background because synth organ doesn't cut it front of mix, but here's a link to a few of my home recordings. I've favoured guitar on these particular ones.... http://www.myspace.com/talesoftheancienttroubadour If you like it (anyone!), contact me, and I'll send you the whole lot for free, in a sort of "Red Cross Parcel" of interesting goodies.

Cheers

 

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1970 B.T. Wright
1959 C3
1975 T-500
1992 Korg 01W/fd
1994 G&L S-500

perhaps you could run the pr-40 to di-box and run that through separate amplification, to save those speakers, and you could drive it as hard as you want while being able to have it as quiet as you want. i'll check those recordings out, it's been a while since i've heard a good homebrew recording

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Hammond B3
Hammond L-112
Hammond R-124
Hammond H-112
Hammond M2
Hammond 123
Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
torn apart Gulbransen
Leslie 147
Roland Juno-G
Alvarez 12-string acoustic
Peavey Raptor electric