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Should dealers be anonymous here?
Last post 05-24-2007, 7:08 PM by Admin. 12 replies.
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soubasse32
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Should dealers be anonymous here?
I have been following one of the threads in the digital organ forum - there seems to be some contention about anonymity of dealers in the Forum.
I belong to another forum - one of their most important rules is that all dealers must reveal themself to the rest of the Forum, for the benefit of all the folks who come to that forum seeking information.
Here is the link to that page, explaining why it is such a good idea: http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/9462.html
I hope you will consider implementing this.
Soubasse32
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| 05-22-2007, 1:16 PM |
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Clavier
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
I am a member of that forum also.
Have: Allen 301, Crumar T1, Hammond E-311 + RT-2 + T-212, Korg DW-6000, Mason And Hamlin Style 802, Moog Micromoog, Rhodes Mk1 Suitcase 88, WurliTzer console, Yamaha E-70 + DX21 + DX7
Looking for: Yamaha EX-1/EX-2 or CSY-1/CSY-2
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| 05-22-2007, 1:35 PM |
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organist777
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
 soubasse32:I have been following one of the threads in the digital organ forum - there seems to be some contention about anonymity of dealers in the Forum.
-- Soubasse32, I am a representative and I have never been anonymous on this forum. This has been stated in my profile for more than four years. Everyone's profile is just one click away, but most do not put anything there. Maybe it should be required for for everyone to fill out some "required" fields as to who they are! But how far do you go with required info for anyone? Do organ techs with ties to organ companies need to 'fess-up'... retried organ salesmen ....how about organists that have been consultants for "brand-x" organs, or a retired electronics manufacturer with ties to specific parts used in some electronic organ.... where would one draw the line? As a representative, I don't draw the line with customers. I often find that some potential customer is really just phishing for information for another dealer or company, or maybe just a 12-yr-old having fun pulling my chain, or just someone looking for a free CD at my expense. How are you going to verify what someone claims, be it a dealer, a consultant, a tech, or a curious kid?
Dave.
Representing Phoenix Organs http://www.qualityorgans.com "Build a boat, build an organ; with any luck one of them will float!"
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| 05-22-2007, 7:22 PM |
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radagast
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
 soubasse32:
I have been following one of the threads in the digital organ forum - there seems to be some contention about anonymity of dealers in the Forum.
I belong to another forum - one of their most important rules is that all dealers must reveal themself to the rest of the Forum, for the benefit of all the folks who come to that forum seeking information.
Here is the link to that page, explaining why it is such a good idea: http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/9462.html
I hope you will consider implementing this.
Poppycock and Balderdash!!! If people are too stupid or lazy to search every nook and cranny of this site looking for information about EVERY POSTER here, then "les imbéciles périssent par manque de sagesse"!!!
(he wrote dripping with sarcasm)
I am NOT a PC programmer. I program on Mainframe computers! Non omnes qui habemt citharam sunt citharoedi
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| 05-22-2007, 9:04 PM |
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Jason E
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
Clavier: I am a member of that forum also.
Really? Then you must not post in the "Pianist Corner", of which I'm extremely active. Just ask soubasse32. 
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| 05-22-2007, 9:40 PM |
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Hammondlover
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
I agree. Please folks, if your want to sell us an organ tell us who you are. We don't want to go through all the trouble of contacting you only to find out you're one of those shady overseas dealers.
A few pointers:
Give us your first name, company (if applicable), and an email address to reach you.
Describe the organ the best that you can (I realize some sellers are not organists) include model numbers whenever possible. I've run into many a craigslist ad that simply stated:
Organ, small, Hammond
Price $200
Gee, thanks. Now I've got to go through the trouble of contacting you to find out if I am interested or not, or go through 40 years of Hammond spinets to figure out which one you are talking about.
That sums it up. Only here in western new york, if your selling a wurlitzer, 9 times out of 10 it is a funmaker. I guarentee it. 
First they came for the ABC consoles, then they came for the older consoles. When they finally got to the spinets, they were all gone.
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| 05-22-2007, 11:40 PM |
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
Ahhh Jason,
So, you post in the pianist corner? Methinks I shall join that forum and have some *lively* conversation with you. +<;-D
Cheers!
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| 05-23-2007, 12:34 PM |
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Clavier
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
Jason E: Clavier: I am a member of that forum also.
Really? Then you must not post in the "Pianist Corner", of which I'm extremely active. Just ask soubasse32.
Actually, I haven't been posted much, period. I think I will get back on board with that.
Have: Allen 301, Crumar T1, Hammond E-311 + RT-2 + T-212, Korg DW-6000, Mason And Hamlin Style 802, Moog Micromoog, Rhodes Mk1 Suitcase 88, WurliTzer console, Yamaha E-70 + DX21 + DX7 Looking for: Yamaha EX-1/EX-2 or CSY-1/CSY-2
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| 05-24-2007, 7:35 AM |
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dhm
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
I'm posting this here as well as in the Walker thread.
It is a weird feeling - I'm out of the loop for a couple of days, check back in again and find myself mentioned six times in a thread to which (up to now) I haven't even contributed.
I have to say that the Profiles section is NOT easy to find (Webmaster - any room for improvement here? Or am I just going blind?), and when I did finally find it, it wouldn't accept my website address as valid (maybe because it ends in .co.uk rather than .com? Webmaster?).
I thought internet fora were meant to be places where one could meet like-minded people, chat, exchange views and pick each others' brains. I'm really sorry to find that it has degenerated into a slanging match (and that is a GENERAL comment, NOT directed at any individual/s). Can't we all have a little more tolerance and respect for each other, even when we have to agree to differ?
Since there doesn't appear to be enough space for long biogs in the Profiles section, and it won't accept my website addresses as valid, this is a bit more about who I am and what I do:
I'm a year short of the biblical "three score". Most of the last 40+ years have been spent in church and cathedral music in the UK. I was a parish organist/choirmaster for about 20 years, including 17 in once place, where I met the Churchwarden's daughter in the choir - now my wife for the last 31 years. There I presided over a III/63 custom-built Makin drawstop. This was rebuilt 3-4 years ago by Hugh Banton (the ex-Makin director who installed it in 1979) using the then latest version of Bradford technology (additive synthesis). Sadly, there is no choir now and no regular "real" organist to put it through its paces. I'm also the Senior Lay Clerk at Rochester Cathedral, where I have sung for 37 years (the Lay Clerks are the gentlemen of the choir - one alto, tenor and bass each side of the choir; "Senior" just means I'm the longest-serving), and I run the Cathedral Special Choir (strictly auditioned volunteer adults). For more info see here: gundulf.org.uk. For more info about the cathedral: rochestercathedral.org.
Aside from church music, I have also spent 30+ years teaching German in high schools, and been made redundant twice when the schools removed German from the curriculum.
As a sideline (though I wish it were more than that) I do a bit of wine importing and selling. I was the first (and am probably still the only) UK importer of wines from Texas and Colorado. See here: henn-macrae.com
Lastly, since May 2006 I have been Hoffrichter's UK representative: hoffrichter-organs.co.uk. This website was updated yesterday with pictures and a new price list. To get prices for the US/Canada, go to the Euro price list on his German website, deduct sales tax (divide the given price by 1.19), convert to Dollars and add shipping.
I'm a great fan of Hauptwerk (as you probably already guessed!) and - from what I've seen and heard so far - if I had to do a custom-build without HW, my money would go to Phoenix. I'm less and less impressed by what the European and American mass-producers have to offer.
Feel free to disagree with me and shoot me down if you like, but do it in a civilized manner, please!
Best wishes to all,
Douglas Henn-Macrae.
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| 05-24-2007, 8:22 AM |
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soubasse32
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
Thanks for your detailed post, Douglas. You have a lot of interesting things happening in your life, and I'm impressed you shared all of that with us!
I agree that the profiles section might be a bit out of the way - I have a suggestion:
If you browse the Piano Forum section of PianoWorld (the link I posted) you see that dealer's professional info is posted as part of the signature of each and every post. You just get used to seeing it.
It is good because anyone shopping for "xyz" brand can see that the author of the post specializes in "xyz". If he/she is slamming brand "abc", then that reveals a different side of the poster.
The other nice thing is that whomever lists their professional affiliation in their sig line gets a bit of free advertising with every post they make. 
Soubasse32
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| 05-24-2007, 2:18 PM |
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radagast
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
soubasse32:
Thanks for your detailed post, Douglas. You have a lot of interesting things happening in your life, and I'm impressed you shared all of that with us!
I agree that the profiles section might be a bit out of the way - I have a suggestion:
If you browse the Piano Forum section of PianoWorld (the link I posted) you see that dealer's professional info is posted as part of the signature of each and every post. You just get used to seeing it.
It is good because anyone shopping for "xyz" brand can see that the author of the post specializes in "xyz". If he/she is slamming brand "abc", then that reveals a different side of the poster.
The other nice thing is that whomever lists their professional affiliation in their sig line gets a bit of free advertising with every post they make.
Makes perfect sense to me.
I am NOT a PC programmer. I program on Mainframe computers! Non omnes qui habemt citharam sunt citharoedi
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| 05-24-2007, 6:58 PM |
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Admin
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
dhm:
I have to say that the Profiles section is NOT easy to find (Webmaster - any room for improvement here? Or am I just going blind?), and when I did finally find it, it wouldn't accept my website address as valid (maybe because it ends in .co.uk rather than .com? Webmaster?).
Sorry about the difficulty about finding profiles. Basically, the forum lets you click on any username to view the user's profile. If you click on your own when you are logged in, you get to edit it.
There is a help link in the upper right corner of every page, but for some reason, it seems that is the last place that anyone thinks of clicking to get help.
As for your website, you probably did not enter the full url in the form of
I just tried this on my own profile and it worked. If you leave off http:// it complains.
dhm:
Since there doesn't appear to be enough space for long biogs in the Profiles section, and it won't accept my website addresses as valid, this is a bit more about who I am and what I do:
I'm not aware of any limitation on Bio length in profiles, either. You might want to try pasting what you wrote here into yours and see what happens.
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| 05-24-2007, 7:08 PM |
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Admin
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Re: Should dealers be anonymous here?
One can impose all sorts of rules, but when it comes to identity on the Internet, there is no practical way of validating it. Therefore, if a member of the forum does not wish to be known as a dealer, there is nothing to prevent him/her from not following the rule or creating a second identity of the forum to post from.
I choose not complicate things in this case.
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