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anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

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  •  08-31-2008, 9:20 AM 61732 in reply to 61723

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    JonC3:
    overdrive do not destroy tubes
    it doesn't? i always thought overdriving tubes decreased their life expectancy due to being "driven to hard". sure it doesn't destroy the tubes, but it wears them down faster, right?

    Hammond B3
    Hammond L-112
    Hammond R-124
    Hammond H-112
    Hammond M2
    Hammond 123
    Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
    torn apart Gulbransen
    Leslie 147
    Roland Juno-G
    Alvarez 12-string acoustic
    Peavey Raptor electric
  •  09-01-2008, 7:14 AM 61787 in reply to 61732

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    No. Distortion do not decrease tubes life expectency if they are properly biased (output power is lesser then admission power). Distortion occurs when tubes are operated on non-linear part of their characteristics.


    I hate jazz!
  •  09-01-2008, 2:38 PM 61810 in reply to 61787

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    so...... is it by any chance possible to adjust the bias in the tubes of an m2 to get distortion? or maybe the preamp tube in an l-100? could an overdrive adjustment knob be added?

    Hammond B3
    Hammond L-112
    Hammond R-124
    Hammond H-112
    Hammond M2
    Hammond 123
    Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
    torn apart Gulbransen
    Leslie 147
    Roland Juno-G
    Alvarez 12-string acoustic
    Peavey Raptor electric
  •  09-02-2008, 7:50 AM 61849 in reply to 61810

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    Do not touch the bias!

    There is a gain (to be more accurate - negative feedback) trimpot in swell capacitor box. It is accesable by removing a metal plug. This belongs to the M2, in L100 this pot is labelled "GAIN ADJ." and is located on main amp chassis. You can adjust these trimpots in both organs with small, flat screwdriver.

    http://theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/files/bri-pics/73288_11.jpg

    http://www.dairiki.org/HammondWiki/HowtoAdjustThePreampDriveLevel

    Jon 


    I hate jazz!
  •  09-02-2008, 1:09 PM 61878 in reply to 61849

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    i know of the of the screw on the trim capacitor box, but are you sure turning that up won't contribute to decreased tube-life?

    Hammond B3
    Hammond L-112
    Hammond R-124
    Hammond H-112
    Hammond M2
    Hammond 123
    Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
    torn apart Gulbransen
    Leslie 147
    Roland Juno-G
    Alvarez 12-string acoustic
    Peavey Raptor electric
  •  09-02-2008, 2:32 PM 61881 in reply to 61878

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    NO!

    But decrease the volume in your leslie if you don't want to have the upper driver destroyed. When I was servicing a 145 I tried a trick by Goldy McJohn. I replaced the 15' speaker (temporarily of course) with Fane Studio 15B then I connected it directly (without crossover, leaving upper driver disconnected) to leslie's amp with volume turned almost fully clockwise. Leslie was connected to my C3 by quick-and-dirty connection kit (test leads and wall light switch for speed switching). Anyway I would never forget the sound which those two beasts produced. When I finally buy or make a leslie I would play it only this way...

    Good luck,

    Jon


    I hate jazz!
  •  09-07-2008, 2:40 PM 62256 in reply to 61881

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    Interesting to find out--and good to hear-- the invariance of tube life with overdrive. I like to just use the natural overdrive you get out of the Leslie without an effect pedal. (Although, I am interested to get a sound like Mike Mangan's in BOT--does he use a Big Muff distortion pedal? Medeski will get a mean distortion too sometimes.)

    Anywho, I just posted some recordings at www.dugjam.com. Most of the recordings are on the Hammond, but there is a track that is mostly Rhodes. Listen to the organ solo at the end of "Do It".

    Has anybody experimented with installing an effects loop in their organ?

  •  09-07-2008, 3:09 PM 62260 in reply to 62256

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    garypenn:

    Interesting to find out--and good to hear-- the invariance of tube life with overdrive. I like to just use the natural overdrive you get out of the Leslie without an effect pedal. (Although, I am interested to get a sound like Mike Mangan's in BOT--does he use a Big Muff distortion pedal? Medeski will get a mean distortion too sometimes.)

    Anywho, I just posted some recordings at www.dugjam.com. Most of the recordings are on the Hammond, but there is a track that is mostly Rhodes. Listen to the organ solo at the end of "Do It".

    Has anybody experimented with installing an effects loop in their organ?

    installing an effects loop in the l-100 series is really easy

    Hammond B3
    Hammond L-112
    Hammond R-124
    Hammond H-112
    Hammond M2
    Hammond 123
    Hammond HR-40 tone cabinet
    torn apart Gulbransen
    Leslie 147
    Roland Juno-G
    Alvarez 12-string acoustic
    Peavey Raptor electric
  •  09-08-2008, 2:33 PM 62333 in reply to 62256

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    The intro to "Little Wendy" sounds really familiar. Mind if I ask where you borrowed that from?

     I made an effects loop on my T582C chop, but I've only used it with a wah wha pedal so far.


    "Whoever can put his hands on an original Hammond won't let go of it ever again, if he's in his right mind." Jon Lord
  •  09-09-2008, 11:43 PM 62442 in reply to 62333

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    That intro is a gospel riff I've been playing for as long as I can remember.... I can't think where I got it off the top of me head, ahahah. It's likely a pretty common chord sequence: G, Gaug/B, C, A7(b9), Em7/D,  B7/D#,  Em7, A7, C/D
  •  09-10-2008, 4:23 PM 62492 in reply to 60875

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    I'm a Jon Lord fan myself. I've always had to make do with synth up til now, sighhh. Finally I'm free! Bought a C3 and am getting a TX-500 in the weekend which I'll mod drastically. Found some good sites on that. SO while I'm not yet a practising overdriven organist, I thoroughly approve!!! 
    1970 B.T. Wright
    1959 C3
    1975 T-500
    1992 Korg 01W/fd
    1994 G&L S-500
  •  09-10-2008, 5:47 PM 62497 in reply to 60875

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    Heavy overdrive?

    What??? Like Bachman-Turner-Overdrive?????

    < 8 - D 

  •  09-10-2008, 6:40 PM 62500 in reply to 60875

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    Actually, I remember Uriah Heep's album "Sweet Freedom" was a beauty. I only have it on LP though.
    1970 B.T. Wright
    1959 C3
    1975 T-500
    1992 Korg 01W/fd
    1994 G&L S-500
  •  09-11-2008, 1:54 PM 62531 in reply to 60875

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    I've only been on this forum for a day or two and this may have already been mentioned. My humble apologies for my relative ignorance...
    HOWEVER...
    The aluminium box which the swell pedal goes to should have a trim knob you can adjust with a screwdriver. This will amp up the gain somewhat!  It'll be clean at low volume and will growl at high volume. I don't know how far this will go, because I haven't experimented.

    I've bought a C3 but it's getting serviced before I crank it up. I have a TX-500 coming  in the weekend which I'm going to do a great deal of fiddling with first, sort of my guinea pig....


    1970 B.T. Wright
    1959 C3
    1975 T-500
    1992 Korg 01W/fd
    1994 G&L S-500
  •  09-11-2008, 5:12 PM 62542 in reply to 62531

    Re: anyone here use heavy overdrive on their organ sound?

    Greetings from Sydney

    Here's all I do on my L122

    ... (no Leslie)

    1. Unplug the RCA cable from the Hammond's preamp out to the reverb / power amp.

    2. Insert a 1 to 2 RCA splitter into the preamp out socket.

    3. Plug 2 x male RCA to 1.4" mono cables into the RCA splitter on the preamp out.

    4. Send one through a home made 12AU7, low milliamp valve guitar pre amp / distortion box (this one has no footswitch bypass so it's permanently on).

    5. Plug the distortion box output into the left channel of a Behringer 1202 mixer and pan it hard left.

    6. Plug the other RCA to 1/4" cable from the preamp RCA splitter into the other channel of the Behringer 1202 and pan it hard right.

    7. Now I have one clean signal into the Behringer (right channel) and one dirty one (left channel).

    8. Set the manual switches to ensemble, full organ, second and third harmonic, normal vibrato, vibrato chorus, pull the bass volume drawbar right out and leave the soft volume tab up.

    9. Weigh down three keys on the upper manual, three on the bottom and one bass pedal.

    10. Adjust the channel trim input gain on the two input channels on the Behringer mixer to the where the clip lights come on then back them off a notch.

    11. Set the main slider on the Behringer mixer to the 0db position on its scale and adjust the individual channel volume pots until the left and right mixer led's light up the 0db level. Remove the weights from the keys and pedals.

    12. Take the left and right Main Outs from the Behringer 1202 and put them into a guitar AB pedal, this allows me to switch between a clean sound and a dirty one at will.

    13. Plug a 1/4" to RCA female cable into the output from the AB pedal and plug it back into the Hammond RCA preamp to reverb / power amp cable that was unplugged from the preamp at the beginning of the process.

    14. The audio chain is now complete again but with a switchable / blendable clean and dirty channel and an extra gain boost stage between the Hammond preamp and the Hammond reverb/power amp. The little Hammond can now run louder, clean, dirty or blended than it can in it's ex factory state. All the organ options still run. I get an extra layer of volume control from the master slide on the Behringer mixer. If I want to blend the clean and the dirty signals I just adjust the panning on the clean and dirty channels mixer to taste. Adjust the distortion box controls to the level of distortion required for the dirty channel and check the mixer trim clip and master gain levels again. Adjust as necessary. If the clean channel starts to distort, just back off it's individual channel volume pot on the mixer until it stops.

    15. If I want to run an extension amplifier I can take line outs from the Control Room outs from the Behringer mixer and use them. If I only want an extension amplifier and not the Hammond's internal one I only use the Control Room outs from the Behringer mixer and not the Main Outs that go back to the Hammond's reverb / power amp. If I want it to be balanced out for a big PA I just plug those Control Room out's into a dual DI box and leave the rest up to the FOH sound engineer.

    16. If I want to go back to the ex factory state I just unplug the RCA splitter from the preamp out and plug the Hammond reverb power amp cable back in.

    It works for me.

    Cheers

    Jed

     

     


    Hammond L122
    Roland VR760
    Yamaha CS-30M
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