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New pipe organ for my parish

Last post 07-24-2008, 1:54 PM by sesquialtera16. 33 replies.
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  •  07-16-2008, 9:06 AM 58353 in reply to 58333

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    I think we might buy a used organ. It seems like a good idea.
    Owner of a Conn 653

  •  07-16-2008, 9:22 AM 58357 in reply to 58353

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    With your budget being so tight, going with a used instrument might be your best bet. However, you still must be careful that you don't buy a real piecce of junk, you also must be careful to buy something that is neither too large or too small for the space.  In my previous post on this thread I suggested the Organ Clearing House, and Sesquialtera16 actually copied the bulk of his post from OCH. The website for Organ Clearing House is http://www.organclearinghouse.com/instr/index.php. I might suggest hiring a consultant for the project.

    All said, buying used is a good idea.
    Once you can tie your arms into a pretzel and your legs into a knot, you've got it under control

  •  07-16-2008, 9:58 AM 58363 in reply to 58357

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Short version of the story:  We purchased a 1973 III/56 Schantz ($75,000) from a church which was constructing a new building with a new organ next door to the old one.  We engaged a respected, experienced, local craftsman as consultant, project manager, and builder.  We spent another $400,000 moving the organ across the country, refurbishing, updating, releathering, reconfiguring, reinstalling (including remodeling the choir loft), revoicing and combining the organ with our existing 1970 Wicks.  The results are beyond our best expectations and we refer to this magnificent instrument as our Schantz III/72.  Our pastor at the time (now the Provincial of the order) said something like:  "I don't know anything about organs; but this one is spectacular!"  We estimate its current replacement value to be at least $2 million.

    Party!!! 

  •  07-16-2008, 11:39 AM 58381 in reply to 58363

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    another thought....keep an eye out for local churches that are closing....there may be a pipe organ in your area that you can actually sit down and play and have evaluated before it goes into your church.


    the only thing I can think of that is ultra important:

    working with someone local who is knowledgeable about relocaitng pipe organs and knows what they are doing, and has references, that you and the organ committee explore in person to establish that this person really does know what they are talking about.

    It is very easy for a hobbyist to walk up and say "i'm a organ tec..I can move it in for 100,000.00....they may take your money, get it moved in somewhat realize they are in over their head and walk away from it...thus I'd look hard at finding a VERY well referenced technician/firm to work with.


    research the Indiana University recent organ fiasco where they had to find another firm to finish the mess left by a "trendy boutique organ builder" who walked away without completing the organ, but still got paid for it..


    Going with a established firm with a long history, and not a individual would be a priority for me unless you can arrange that it is not paid at least mostly for until AFTER it is completed.


    Link on the IU fiasco:

    http://www.timeswv.com/schools/cnhinseducation_story_169230105.html

    www.nycfarmboy.com
    www.reuter822.com

  •  07-16-2008, 12:46 PM 58384 in reply to 58381

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    I'd forgotten all about the Rosales thing, I would be interested to know how Rosales managed to not finish his work ad get paid as though he had. That however is matter for PMs or other means of contact, or another thread, but not this one.
    Once you can tie your arms into a pretzel and your legs into a knot, you've got it under control

  •  07-16-2008, 12:59 PM 58385 in reply to 58357

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    the organ i have suggested for u in a previous post was selected from among many

    a] builder known to make solid instruments

    b] priced at a bargain

    c] the builder under new ownership can do all the work of refurb at the plant and any modifications needed and give u a magnificent piece of music equipment that will last 50 years and probably cut you a deal since they are trying to get that firm re-established

    d] they can include a new organ warranty if the work is done in-factory and the final voicing in your edifice to assure good tonal results

  •  07-16-2008, 1:34 PM 58393 in reply to 58384

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Mr R is the diocesan organ advisor for LA

    he has helped an Iowa builder with scaling an organ in the LA RC cathedral

    then he did likewise for said man from Iowa in Kimmel Philly

    wondering if he will also assist with the new 75-90 rk over 5 mil job at WNC due in 2009

    that website says that the heritage of the 1930s skinner will be honored by keeping some old pipes

    what about the a-s?

    the new perm organist at WNC is scott dettra

    the new gallery organ for WNC will be a mechanical in the French idiom

    question

    why would a high anglican place want an entire organ along French lines?

    why mechanical?

    how will that contribute to the liturgy?

     

  •  07-16-2008, 3:30 PM 58407 in reply to 58246

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Lively-Fulcher and J.W. Walker come to mind as well.  The local L-F in my area gave the Church very very much bang for the buck.  I don't know if the financial situation favors English builders right now, but J.W. Walker makes fantastic, cohesive-yet-flexible instruments.

     

           - Nate 

    Like to read about pipe organ parts? - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/organfixers/

  •  07-16-2008, 3:31 PM 58408 in reply to 58246

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Greetings,

        Oh, and don't forget Nichols and Simpson of Little Rock, AR!

     

              - Nate 

    Like to read about pipe organ parts? - http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/organfixers/

  •  07-16-2008, 4:51 PM 58416 in reply to 58408

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Schoenstein-organist, I've left you another PM.  Smile
    Soubasse32

  •  07-16-2008, 5:22 PM 58418 in reply to 58407

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    u may be interested to know that the us dollar is weak compared to the british pound the canadian dollar and the euro so dont go bargain hunting outside the good ole usa

  •  07-23-2008, 5:05 PM 58920 in reply to 58353

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Steve: 

    I purchased the 4/31 Austin from Roosevelt Jr. High School in Altoona.  It is a wonderful instrument and was in near mint condition.  The school is being torn down Aug 1 this year.  I need to find a home for it.

    Good to hearing from you - I hope all is well.

    v

     to schoenstein-organist:

    i can put u in touch with this austin organ prospect if u like or u can contact them directly from the email above.

    sesqui16

    schoenstein-organist:
    I think we might buy a used organ. It seems like a good idea.

     

    		victorgan@netzero.net

  •  07-23-2008, 5:39 PM 58922 in reply to 58418

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Steve:

    Thank-you for the information .I also have the FCC -Ygn Hillgreen Lane et al organ here in the shop that I need to find a home for.I offered the Austin to St Charles (they are considering a 3/33 Schantz for $750,000.00) but they told me that they cannot afford to do anything right now.  I offered the Austin, enlarged to about 45 or so ranks, with facade pipes, for $250,000.00, but they said no.  I guess they would rather have a Schantz at triple the price.

    The Austin was completely restored with a Peterson relay and console updates in 1992.  However, I would want to even update it further.  The 5 divisions were Echo, Swell, Great, Choir and Pedal - no solo. Beautiful reeds and strings as well as a color pallet of wood and metal flutes (Rohr, Chiminey, Gross, Ged, Mel, Clara, Harmonic and open)!  Of course, being a 1924 instrument, it lacks mutations and principal choruses.  I can fix that!

    Well, thank-you again!
    v

    TO SCHOENSTEIN ORGANIST:

    THIS MAN HAS 2 PIPE ORGANS.i am familar personally with the 3m hillgreen and it is a nice liturgical organ with revisions in 1971.

    also the austin sounds interesting

    give the man an email if u wish.

    sesqui16

  •  07-23-2008, 6:08 PM 58926 in reply to 58418

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

     
    Topic: Pipe Organs Subject: For Sale
    Date: 30-June-2008 Street
    Name Kevin Buttle City/State San Jose/ California
    Organization Phone 408-723-2804

    F O R S A L E 61 RANKS - PIPEWORK ONLY – LARGE SCALE * * * ORCHESTRAL/ROMANTIC VOICING * * * PROFESSIONLLY CRATED - READY TO MOVE from 1920 AUSTIN and 1930 MOLLER * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STOPLIST OF THE RANKS (Note: w & m = wood & metal) (Note: ext = extension) G R E A T (14 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure) Scale Builder Pipes 16 Major Diapason 37 Austin 61 metal 16 Rohr Bourdon (ext) Moller 12 wood 8 Open Diapason 40 Moller 73 metal 8 Open Diapason 46 Austin 61 metal 8 Harmonic Flute Moller 73 metal 8 Rohr Flute Moller 73 wood 8 Clarabella Austin 61 wood 8 Gemshorn Moller 73 metal 8 Violoncello (1-8) 55 Austin 8 metal 8 Dulciana 57 Moller 73 metal 4 Octave 55 Austin 61 metal 4 Harmonic Flute Austin 61 metal 2-2/3 Twelfth Austin 61 metal 2 Fifteenth Austin 61 metal 8 Trumpet-harmonic on #37 5 in Moller 73 reed 8 Tuba-harmonic on #18 Skinner 61 reed Chimes - Deagan (21 tubes) Moller S W E L L (19 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure) Scale Builder Pipes 16 Lieblich Gedeckt Austin 73 wood 8 Open Diapason 43-40 Austin 73 metal 8 Open Diapason 44 Moller 73 metal 8 Rohr Flute Austin 73 wood 8 Salicional 60 Moller 73 metal 8 Echo Salicional 61 Austin 73 metal 8 Vox Celeste 62 Moller 73 metal 8 Viole d Orchestre #1 Austin 73 tin 8 Viole Celeste-TC #1 Austin 61 tin 4 Octave 56 Moller 73 metal 4 Flauto Traverso-harmonic Austin 73 wood 4 Violina Austin 73 metal 2-2/3 Twelfth 67 Moller 61 metal 2 Fifteenth 71 Moller 61 metal 2 Flautina Austin 61 metal 16 Contra Fagotto Austin 73 reed 8 Trumpet 4 in Moller 73 reed 8 Capped Oboe Moller 73 reed 8 Vox Humana Moller 73 reed C H O I R (13 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure) Scale Builder Pipes 16 Contra Viole 55 Austin 73 metal 8 Geigen Principal 49 Austin 73 metal 8 Concert Flute-harmonic Austin 73 wood 8 Dolce (Dulciana) 55 Austin 73 metal 8 Unda Maris-TC (undulate w/ concert flute) Austin 61 wood 8 Quintadena 55 Austin 73 metal 4 Octave 57 Austin 61 metal 4 Flute d Amour Austin 73 w & m 2-2/3 Dolce d Cornet Moller 61 metal 2 Piccolo-harmonic Austin 61 metal 2 Dolce d Cornet Moller 61 metal 1-3/5 Dolce d Cornet Moller 61 metal 8 Clarinet Austin 73 reed S O L O (5 ranks - 10 inches wind pressure) Scale Builder Pipes 8 Stentorphone bass 43-40 Austin 73 metal 8 Gamba 55 Austin 73 metal 8 Gamba Celeste-TC 55 Austin 61 metal 4 Flute Ouverte Austin 73 w & m 8 Tuba-Harmonic on #19 Austin 73 reed E C H O (5 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure) Scale Builder Pipes 8 Gedeckt Austin 61 wood 8 Viole # 1 violin sc. Austin 61 tin 8 Viole Celeste # 1 violin sc. Austin 61 tin 4 Fern Flute Austin 61 wood 8 Vox Humana Austin 61 reed Chimes - Deagan (20 tubes) P E D A L (5 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure) Scale Builder Pipes 16 Open Wood Austin 32 wood 16 Open Wood Moller 44 wood 16 Violone (ext great) 43 Austin 12 metal 16 Bourdon Moller 44 wood 16 Bourdon Austin 44 wood 8 Open Wood (ext Open Wood) Moller wood 8 Bourdon (ext Bourdon) Moller wood 8 Bourdon (ext Bourdon) Austin wood 32 Bombarde (10 in. w. p.) 12in Austin 44 reed (mitered to 20 feet) 16 Trombone Austin reed (ext from 32 Bombarde) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Make a serious offer - Serious inquires only! I am selling my entire collection of pipework (61-ranks, 4,028 pipes) that was professionally removed from two organs: 41-ranks from a 6-division 1920 Austin and 20-ranks from a 1930 Moller. All pipes are voiced on 5 inches wind pressure (with a few exceptions on 10 inches). Pipework is in EXCELLENT CONDITION! Very few miters. LARGE SCALE PIPEWORK. All pipework (excluding the 16 foot Open Wood basses) is crated - neatly and securely in well-built crates with individual plywood tops. Approximately 120-crates in 8-22 foot lengths. The collection has one Skinner 8 foot harmonic Tuba. Those who know me and have seen the pipes can attest to the quality that this collection represents and the extensive packing care. I am selling all pipework to ONE buyer. But please BEWARE . . . this collection will fill one Roadway trailer completely (and maybe more) with only enough room for a piccolo pipe to breathe! Just park and pack - its that easy! The entire collection is for sale as a whole unit. I do not wish to part-out a rank here or there. Serious inquires only. Best offer takes it all away! Contact Information: Kevin Buttle San Jose, California (408) 723-2804 Email: KevinButtle@comcast.net

     STOPLIST OF THE RANKS

                   (Note: w & m = wood & metal)
                      (Note: ext = extension)

    G R E A T  (14 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure)
                                Scale   Builder  Pipes

    16    Major Diapason        37      Austin   61 metal
    16    Rohr Bourdon (ext)            Moller   12 wood
    8     Open Diapason         40      Moller   73 metal
    8     Open Diapason         46      Austin   61 metal
    8     Harmonic Flute                Moller   73 metal
    8     Rohr Flute                    Moller   73 wood
    8     Clarabella                    Austin   61 wood
    8     Gemshorn                      Moller   73 metal
    8     Violoncello (1-8)     55      Austin    8 metal
    8     Dulciana              57      Moller   73 metal
    4     Octave                55      Austin   61 metal
    4     Harmonic Flute                Austin   61 metal
    2-2/3 Twelfth                       Austin   61 metal
    2     Fifteenth                     Austin   61 metal
    8     Trumpet-harmonic on #37 5 in  Moller   73 reed
    8     Tuba-harmonic on #18          Skinner  61 reed
          Chimes - Deagan (21 tubes)    Moller 

    S W E L L  (19 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure)
                                Scale   Builder  Pipes

    16    Lieblich Gedeckt              Austin   73 wood
    8     Open Diapason         43-40   Austin   73 metal
    8     Open Diapason         44      Moller   73 metal
    8     Rohr Flute                    Austin   73 wood
    8     Salicional            60      Moller   73 metal
    8     Echo Salicional       61      Austin   73 metal
    8     Vox Celeste           62      Moller   73 metal
    8     Viole d Orchestre     #1      Austin   73 tin
    8     Viole Celeste-TC      #1      Austin   61 tin
    4     Octave                56      Moller   73 metal
    4     Flauto Traverso-harmonic      Austin   73 wood
    4     Violina                       Austin   73 metal
    2-2/3 Twelfth               67      Moller   61 metal
    2     Fifteenth             71      Moller   61 metal
    2     Flautina                      Austin   61 metal
    16    Contra Fagotto                Austin   73 reed
    8     Trumpet               4 in    Moller   73 reed
    8     Capped Oboe                   Moller   73 reed
    8     Vox Humana                    Moller   73 reed

    C H O I R  (13 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure)
                                Scale   Builder  Pipes

    16    Contra Viole          55      Austin   73 metal
    8     Geigen Principal      49      Austin   73 metal
    8     Concert Flute-harmonic        Austin   73 wood
    8     Dolce (Dulciana)      55      Austin   73 metal
    8     Unda Maris-TC
          (undulate w/ concert flute)   Austin   61 wood
    8     Quintadena            55      Austin   73 metal
    4     Octave                57      Austin   61 metal
    4     Flute d Amour                 Austin   73 w & m
    2-2/3 Dolce d Cornet                Moller   61 metal
    2     Piccolo-harmonic              Austin   61 metal
    2     Dolce d Cornet                Moller   61 metal
    1-3/5 Dolce d Cornet                Moller   61 metal
    8     Clarinet                      Austin   73 reed

    S O L O  (5 ranks - 10 inches wind pressure)
                                Scale   Builder  Pipes

    8     Stentorphone     bass 43-40   Austin   73 metal
    8     Gamba                    55   Austin   73 metal
    8     Gamba Celeste-TC         55   Austin   61 metal
    4     Flute Ouverte                 Austin   73 w & m
    8     Tuba-Harmonic on #19          Austin   73 reed

    E C H O  (5 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure)
                                Scale   Builder  Pipes

    8     Gedeckt                       Austin   61 wood
    8     Viole         # 1 violin sc.  Austin   61 tin
    8     Viole Celeste # 1 violin sc.  Austin   61 tin
    4     Fern Flute                    Austin   61 wood
    8     Vox Humana                    Austin   61 reed
          Chimes - Deagan (20 tubes)  
     
    P E D A L  (5 ranks - 5 inches wind pressure)
                                Scale   Builder  Pipes

    16    Open Wood                     Austin   32 wood
    16    Open Wood                     Moller   44 wood
    16    Violone (ext great)      43   Austin   12 metal
    16    Bourdon                       Moller   44 wood
    16    Bourdon                       Austin   44 wood
    8     Open Wood (ext Open Wood)     Moller      wood
    8     Bourdon (ext Bourdon)         Moller      wood
    8     Bourdon (ext Bourdon)         Austin      wood
    32    Bombarde (10 in. w. p.) 12in  Austin   44 reed
          (mitered to 20 feet)
    16    Trombone                      Austin      reed
          (ext from 32 Bombarde)
       
                   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *              
            Make a serious offer - Serious inquires only!

    I am selling my entire collection of pipework
    (61-ranks, 4,028 pipes) that was professionally
    removed from two organs: 41-ranks from a 6-division
    1920 Austin and 20-ranks from a 1930 Moller. All
    pipes are voiced on 5 inches wind pressure (with a few
    exceptions on 10 inches).

    Pipework is in EXCELLENT CONDITION! Very few miters.
    LARGE SCALE PIPEWORK. All pipework (excluding the
    16 foot Open Wood basses) is crated - neatly and
    securely in well-built crates with individual plywood
    tops. Approximately 120-crates in 8-22 foot lengths.

    The collection has one Skinner 8 foot harmonic Tuba.

    Those who know me and have seen the pipes can attest
    to the quality that this collection represents and the
    extensive packing care.

    I am selling all pipework to ONE buyer. But please
    BEWARE . . . this collection will fill one Roadway
    trailer completely (and maybe more) with only enough
    room for a piccolo pipe to breathe! Just park and
    pack - its that easy!

    The entire collection is for sale as a whole unit.

    I do not wish to part-out a rank here or there.

    Serious inquires only. Best offer takes it all away!

                       Contact Information:

                           Kevin Buttle       
                       San Jose, California
                          (408) 723-2804
                 Email: KevinButtle@comcast.net


       

  •  07-23-2008, 9:02 PM 58929 in reply to 58920

    Re: New pipe organ for my parish

    Thanks, I emailed the man selling the Austin.
    Owner of a Conn 653
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